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steelmaker wrote:No, the first "Lord" is God The Father; the second one is Jesus. Jesus Himself makes that clear in Matt. 22. which Art cited.
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steelmaker wrote:But The Father is not The Son nor is He the Holy Spirit. To say they're the same Personage is modalism.
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ryld wrote:steelmaker wrote:But The Father is not The Son nor is He the Holy Spirit. To say they're the same Personage is modalism.Did someone do that here?
The first "Lord" is Yĕhovah, meaning "the existing One". This Lord is the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. The second "Lord" is 'adown , meaning "master" or "sovereign". While the Word is encompassed in the first Lord, the Word made flesh--the Heir of the throne of David--is indeed referring to the Son exclusively in the second "Lord".
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Art wrote:RyldJehovah IS the Father alone.
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Art wrote:Jehovah is addressing the Father, Adonai the Son and Elohim addresses all three persons, for it is a plural name.
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Art wrote:You cannot use actual scriptures in this issue but any Hebrew lexicon or concordance designates Jehovah, Adonai and Elohim in their rightful usages.
15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD 3068 God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this [is] my name for ever, and this [is] my memorial unto all generations. Ex. 3
Notice "the Lord" in verse 15. That same word is "Jehovah". I left the reference link to the concordance so that you can see that this is so. Also notice that Jehovah states "this is my name", the name being "I AM", the same thing which the Word called Himself in John 8. Jehovah states in Ex. 3:15 that He, the I AM, is the God of Abraham, and the Word states clearly that He was also that same I AM that knew Abraham.
Additionally, Genesis 2 which Moses wrote down at the instruction of Jehovah, used the same word Jehovah as being the Creator:
These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD 3068 God made the earth and the heavens (verse 4)
Then, praise be to that same Jehovah God, John the Apostle made clear that this same God was also the Word:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1
As John says above, that same Jehovah mentioned in Gen. 2:4 was also the Word, the Word having been with God, and being that God. Being "with" God, means that the Word was one of the three whom Jehovah God is.
Yes, both Scripture and the concordance are very helpful.
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