cheezit01 wrote:
chooselifealways wrote:
cheezit01 wrote:
chooselifealways wrote:
And Transubtantion is certainly not a false doctrine. It was given to the Apostles by Christ Himself. Following apostolic Tradition, is the priesthood. Jesus made it very clear what the apostles were to do. Transubstantion is not reincarnation. Jesus becomes present in the Eucharist after speaking the words He intoned at the Last Supper.

No Evangelical Christian that I know of believes that.  I certainly don't, as you well know.  But what I'd really like to know is this.  Let's assume for a moment that every Evangelical church and Christian on the face of the earth is wrong and the Catholic church is right.  Just what, EXACTLY, does it do for you?
It changes nothing for me. And I categorically do not believe that at the Last Judgement there will be different circles of heaven, based on disagreed doctrine. So, as brethren, we are only separated by the things of this world. I'm sure there will be non-Christians taken up with Jesus if they have not learned of Him (like Saudi Arabians - Think of it as Muslim Camp). And there will those crying "Lord, Lord," who will not make it in the gate at all. I'm pretty sure Jim Jones is not going to go the way of his followers in eternity. Most of the People's Temple members were disenfranchised members of society, living on the fringe, and headed down to Guyana in search of a better life and freedom to worship. We all know that Jim Jones was a monster, so it's a pretty safe bet he won't be our neighbor in Heaven. Neither will David Koresh, Joseph Smith and Thomas Gumbleton. Across the board there have been scams and lies, but the grace lies in that Jesus will Judge us, not our neighbors. The people I worry most about are the people who cannot accept the trinitarian nature of God. God is the Father, God is the Son, and God is the Holy Spirit. That's all you need to know to be true. I do still believe that I am not going to leave this world stainless, and I suspect the most surprising thing that evangelicals will encounter is a thorough washing, just like the Catholics. I have a good friend (a very dear friend) who believes that Jesus was not fully human and fully divine at His conception, kind of like Glorybe. These are the people we should be reaching out to.

I'm kinda leaning on the Scientologists peeking in the gates with their tinfoil hats on...
Maybe I could have been a little clearer.  When I said "Just what, EXACTLY, does it do for you?", what I meant was since Catholics believe that the wafer becomes the actual body of Christ, what does eating the wafer do for you when you eat it?


Sorry, cheez, I misunderstood what you were asking.  When we receive the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ in the Most Blessed Sacrament of the altar, we are to be Christ bearers. This is where reality and appearance show their difference. The substance of the bread and wine do not change in appearance, but in reality it IS Jesus Christ.

Our bodies become the tabernacle of Christ in the world. We are all called by Jesus, but not everybody listens.

Cheez, there are even Catholics who do not believe in Transubstantiation, but most of them are my age and older. And regardless of who will deny this, my generation (and generations before us) were improperly catechized. I became a Christian in the Baptist Church, and in this age of instant communication, the Word is spreading farther and faster than even Peter and Paul ever hoped to reach. And we are largely more knowledgeable about our faith. Blessed John Paul II was not perfect (nobody is), but he did help educate his flock and preach evangelization.

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