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Posts: 317 10/26/09 19:21:07	Tags : None On several boards where I have posted someone or several someones have made the claim that they are under the penalty of anathema usually because of the canons of Trent containing the phrase "anathema sit". That, of course, is not true. The penalty of anathema is no longer used in the Catholic Church. Does anyone here still believe they are subject to that penalty? God bless you Ray
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Faith Unashamed		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 418 10/26/09 19:28:24	Why is it no longer used? Can you provide the official documents that have taken it out of use?
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relling		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 317 10/26/09 19:40:29	Faith Unashamed wrote: Why is it no longer used? Why? I don't recall reading or hearing any reasoning for the change but I would guess it is because the penalty of anathema was rather severe. It was exclusion from the Church. The strongest penalty currently is excommunication where, while the person remains in the Church, they are excluded from the Sacraments and some areas of worship. Faith Unashamed wrote: Can you provide the official documents that have taken it out of use? Anathema was a penalty in the 1917 Code of Canon Law but is NOT in the current Code of Canon Law (1983). part of Canon 6 #1 in the 1983 code says: When this Code takes force, the following are abrogated: 1. The Code of Canon Law promulgated in 1917:... God bless you Ray
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cheezit01		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 167 10/26/09 19:42:45	The penalty of anathema is no longer used in the Catholic Church. Wait. You mean to tell me that the church that never changes, actually changed? Let's forget for a moment that the only authority that the Catholic church ever had for pronouncing an anathema against anyone was strictly self appointed.
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camabeach		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 59 10/27/09 18:26:38	The core teachings - DOGMA - of the Church have never changed. Cultural practices, such as replacing Latin with English, for example, can change. DOGMA are such things as: The Virgin Birth, the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, Baptism for the remission of sins, the concept of the Trinity, the teaching that Christ died on the cross and rose again to save us from our sins. Those are a few of the examples of dogmas that never have and never will change. Come, Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of your faithful and kindle in them the fire of your love.
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Cym98		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 183 10/27/09 19:10:53	That's a good point Cama. Thanks for the clarification. One question: Would the doctrine of purgatory be also classified under 'cultural practices'?
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truckerdan		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 92 10/28/09 12:47:17	I can see why they would no longer use "anathema" Personally I would not care if they used it for me, since I consider it erroneous in it's teaching. There are some teachings I consider anathema though. . Official Right Wing Extremist
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GHSTHA		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 245 10/28/09 16:01:21	Cym98 wrote: That's a good point Cama. Thanks for the clarification. One question: Would the doctrine of purgatory be also classified under 'cultural practices'? Not to speak for Cama but Purgatory is a dogma of the Church and cannot change.
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Art		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 422 10/28/09 17:24:12	Purgatory is another imaginary place as Limbo. It doesnt exist and no where in scripture even hints at it. Theres heaven , theres hell, and no in between mythical places such as limbo or purgatory. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. " "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
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Cym98		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 183 10/28/09 17:48:50	GHSTHA wrote: Not to speak for Cama but Purgatory is a dogma of the Church and cannot change. I was actually thinking of the Limbo belief and typed purgatory instead.
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Loose Nut		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3 10/28/09 18:03:16	cama The Virgin Birth, the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, Baptism for the remission of sins, the concept of the Trinity, the teaching that Christ died on the cross and rose again to save us from our sins. That was done before Jesus was resurrected, but is no longer done. The only baptism that counts is by the Holy Spirit, you might try that rather than eat Jesus at every mass! Loose Nut
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Faith Unashamed		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 418 10/28/09 18:12:03	Art wrote: Purgatory is another imaginary place as Limbo. It doesnt exist and no where in scripture even hints at it. Theres heaven , theres hell, and no in between mythical places such as limbo or purgatory. The Biblical evidence against purgatory is abundant.
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GHSTHA		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 245 10/28/09 19:31:35	Faith Unashamed wrote: Art wrote: Purgatory is another imaginary place as Limbo. It doesnt exist and no where in scripture even hints at it. Theres heaven , theres hell, and no in between mythical places such as limbo or purgatory. The Biblical evidence against purgatory is abundant. But there is abundant evidence for the existence of Purgatory.
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Art		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 422 10/28/09 19:37:07	Sure there is. Maybe you can show me a verse of scripture that mentions this imaginary purgatory. Is not the blood of Christ sufficient to cleanse the sinner? "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. " "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
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GHSTHA		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 245 10/29/09 17:39:37	Art wrote: Sure there is. Maybe you can show me a verse of scripture that mentions this imaginary purgatory. Is not the blood of Christ sufficient to cleanse the sinner? Certainly but what about the punishment that is due to that sin?
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truckerdan		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 92 10/29/09 18:27:44	GHSTHA wrote: Art wrote: Sure there is. Maybe you can show me a verse of scripture that mentions this imaginary purgatory. Is not the blood of Christ sufficient to cleanse the sinner? Certainly but what about the punishment that is due to that sin? the punishment fo the sin was nailed to the cross. . Official Right Wing Extremist
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Cym98		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 183 10/29/09 18:40:14	truckerdan wrote: GHSTHA wrote: Certainly but what about the punishment that is due to that sin? the punishment fo the sin was nailed to the cross. AMEN! Sorry, dont mean to yell, but that statement really nailed it!!! (Pun intended).
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Faith Unashamed		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 418 10/29/09 18:47:15	It did Cym. The point I am making on the Purgatory thread. TD, you have a very simple yet very affective way of explaining it. AMEN!
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camabeach		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 59 10/29/09 18:50:00	The temporal consequences of sin do remain. Addictions may still exist in your life. Sinful attachments to people or things may get in the way of your relationship with God. Relationships may be broken. Restitution may have to be paid. Even jail or prison time may have to be served if one sinned and broke the law. Just because your sins are forgiven doesn't remove the consequences of those sins. Come, Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of your faithful and kindle in them the fire of your love.
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Cym98		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 183 10/29/09 18:50:14	I just read that purgatory thread Kevin. One of the best explanations I've ever read!
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Faith Unashamed		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 418 10/29/09 18:55:47	Thanks Cym, it was all prayer and God.
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